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Offline Captain Arcturus - 2nd Company

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« on: November 17, 2011, 04:27:00 AM »
Hey guys, new here on Obscurus Crusade, but not quite as new to pepakura.  I am currently finishing up a Mark VI suit from halo over on the 405th site but decided to get started on a project here as well.

So here goes my start at making my ULTRAMARINE suit, going to be epic so stay posted!


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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 05:09:00 AM »
as the only other 2nd company UM here.

i welcome you to the fold!

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 06:06:00 AM »
It looks like you have a decent start there, however I wonder why you decided to use hot glue to put it together? Most of us here opt for normal Elmer's glue or super-glue. I can't remember what the others said about hot-glue in their opinions, though. [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/unsure.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='unsure.gif' />

Welcome to the Crusade, and I look forward to your progress, even if you're an Ultramarine. . . [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' />  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' />  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' />

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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2011, 09:06:00 AM »
Quote from: Daeouse date=1321556760
It looks like you have a decent start there, however I wonder why you decided to use hot glue to put it together? Most of us here opt for normal Elmer's glue or super-glue. I can't remember what the others said about hot-glue in their opinions, though. [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/unsure.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='unsure.gif' />
Hot glue is used reasonably frequently. The main problem (which I never ran into when I used hot glue) is that the resin will heat up as it cures and melt the glue

Arcturus is doing a far better job with it than I did, so it should all turn out good

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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2011, 03:33:00 PM »
Quote from: ragnar blackmane date=1321524540
as the only other 2nd company UM here.

i welcome you to the fold!
Thank you battle brother!  I look forward to a great finish on this project, I have a mostly completed Mark VI Spartan suit and have wanted to start on this one for a while but for the life of me I could not find a helmet pdo that I was happy with but with that finally in my possession I can get a good start.

And to the question about the hot glue I find that it hold much faster and pretty strong hold as well, I just don't have the patience for elmers glue to dry and I have thick skin so the hot glue and tip of the gun do not bother me

But thanks guys for the comments I will have more progress soon so check back and as always "For the Imortal God Emporer!"

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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2011, 05:56:00 PM »
Biggest problem with hot glue comes during the sanding phase, you pretty much cant sand hot glue at all. It stays rough no matter what you do to it, so unless you have absolutely no hot glue showing, you are going to have an extremely hard time making the pep model look smooth and finished on the parts where you end up sanding through the paper model (corners/edges).
non rubbery glues = best

I used hot glue for my first couple of pieces, ended up being forced to remake the bases because I couldn't get them looking as nice as I wanted.  Depends on how finished a look you're going for really.

Glad to see another marine though!

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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 06:26:00 PM »
Well thank you for the tip Djinn, that means alot coming from you, your build is positively amazing!  I don't know what I am going to do about that though some one over on the 405th gave a good suggestions that before I resin the pieces take the gun and smooth down the glue globs as much as possible with the hot tip to reduce that problem.  Also I am trying my best to keep the glue to a minimum just enough to get it to hold together.

But thank you guys again for the suggestions it really helps.

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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2011, 06:40:00 PM »
Another thing I remember about hot glue is that it generally takes a while longer than super glue to bond- I ended up trying to clip lots of bits together just so I could work quickly.

It takes trying out a few different brands and formulas, but when you get a good super glue, one that bonds the instant you smash the tab down, you can really fly through the parts.

That said, if you can get access to CNC or your ego can step down to materials like foam, you can make parts much faster than pep, when the extra finishing work is considered.
IMO it's a large time and money sink, once you've bought all the tools and materials.
Pep.. pepakura, cardstock, glues, resin, respirator, gloves, brushes, cups, plastic sheet(to work over), fiberglass, bondo, sandpaper, sanders, masking tape, styrene(details), primer, paint
Foam.. utility knife, hot glue gun, maybe some paint and primer?
Vacformed parts.. tin snips, rivet gun, paint?
Cast parts.. sandpaper, glue, paint?

I mean, I've yet to see good records of all purchases throughout the life of a full suit of pep-built armor, but it seems to me it'd end up costing you more. Sorry if this is a derail : /

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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2011, 06:57:00 PM »
Nah it's all good, I am mainly doing the pep. process because I think it is fun and I don't mind that it takes a little long to do, I find that the longer it takes the better outcome is.  Plus I have alot of materials leftover from my Spartan suit build, such as cardstock and resin, I just wanted to get started on this.  Don't worry it's not a derailer or anything it actually makes me want to do it more its more of a challenge and my Mark VI has come looking good so far so I am ok with it.  But thank you for the tips and if I do another suit I will definitely give foam a try, it looks ranting but the results look great.

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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2011, 04:01:00 AM »
Ok so finished the helmet pep:





And good news, first print out of the helmet and it fits!!




And as always, comments are welcome so let me know what you think!?!?!?! XD
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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2011, 05:59:00 AM »
Nice size, just gotta make sure you get the scale right on the chest to fit the helm now (since you're from the 405th, probably not an issue.. delicious scale formula and whatnot).

And yeah, I saved all the receipts from my build. Ran me almost $850 for materials and tools including the weapons. Not to mention countless hours of time. I like pep because it gives you a scaled base to work with and results in a rigid costume with very high modding potential. Its a fun hobby though, the more time invested the more satisfying the outcome imo.
Keep on it. Don't settle for good enough. If you can see the flaws, so can everyone else. - keep that in mind and your build will turn out great.

Don't be afraid to throw away pieces and start anew.

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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2011, 11:57:00 AM »
Quote from: Djinn date=1321613940

Don't be afraid to throw away pieces and start anew.
Yeah you have no idea how true this is, with my Mark VI I probably scrapped like 8 thigh pieces because i could not get the scale right, so I decided to start with a S.M. since they are bulky anyway and I have already had to scrap a forearm twice, I have been tinkering around with a smaller piece besides the helmet and I already need to go bigger. lol.

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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2011, 05:07:00 AM »
ERRGH, the files for Warhammer PDOs are alot more difficult than the Halo files. I like the size of the helmet but torn on whether or not it may be too big.  Printed out a chest file and started to work on it.  Got most of it done and realized that the arm holes for this particular chest are too small and my arms can not relax I have to hold them up because the of the holes, I think even that if I made the chest bigger it would be problematic for me.  I found a file for a VERY DETAILED chest with the Aquila already on it but it comes in two pieces so I am worried that the pep process would be more difficult I am used to technique where you build the chest and then spit it to get it on.  I just want the edges to line up right.

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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2011, 06:41:00 AM »
Any chest file you use will have that problem. You will pretty much have to modify the built chest to fit you arms comfortably. I almost doubled the arm holes size on mine and ended up cutting it into a clamshell style right down the side to make it work comfortably. The arm holes will be almost completely (if not completely) covered by the shoulder armor so their size will not be an issue. If the chest fits, modify it to fit your arms.. you dont have to keep the assembled pdos the way they are printed.. the pep files are bases, nothing more!

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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2011, 12:54:00 PM »
Well I looked at it as if I was going to have to cut it to modify it that way anyway, but when I got it to a wearable point so I could try it and see how it fits, the collar fits just fine, I can get my arms through the arm holes, though not comfortable(as already stated) but I had two other problems.  It is just a tad tight around the middle and the helmet I had already pep'd in conjunction with this chest is either too big or the chest is too small.  It looks funny sitting up on top of that chest piece.  Also with the collar on this chest does not allow me very much room to turn my head in the helmet, which led me to believe that the helm was too big so I might redo that anyway.  If I go with the file for the new chest the arm holes are much wider which will give my arms a great deal more range of movement(and I cant adjust that too if it doesnt allow me to relax my arms) and the collar looks like it will work much better, it is only high in the back where the one I currently have is high all the way around.  Oh well good news is I have been blessed with plenty of paper so it will be no problem to have to reprint and redo.

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