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Adepta Sororitas Power Armour [Helmet Sculpting!]
« on: February 02, 2012, 03:54:00 PM »
Hi,

I got linked to this forum a while, but since I haven't made anything new for a long while I didn't think I could really contribute.  
However, with a new job, a new lease of energy for doing stuff and confidence that I can I've started a very ambitious new costume project!

A full sculpted, moulded and cast suit of Adeptus Sororitas, Sabbat Pattern, Power Amour .... Weee!
Technically this is actually Version 2 for me, as I did a rather poor suit of armour a little over a year ago:
http://vickibrownies.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d3dpbfi
It was on a stupidly tight budget, and if was just about passable.
But I mostly do foam monster costumes and prosthetics, and various sculpted props and of course Pointlessly awesome dragon ponies.

But this time, I want to do this right!!
I know this forum isn't as technically orientated as some of the armour forums, but almost more important is getting feedback on design of it from people who Get 40k and are familiar with the source
I like the profile I've managed to get out of it so far, will be building it out muchly with Styrene and hot glue.

I made a headcast over the weekend, it didn't really come out very head shaped so spent most of Sunday cutting at it with a saw to get it to fit, and hopefully it's now useable ... at least it's better since I started sculpting the helmet!


If you wanna see the WIP shots, check out this album; http://imgur.com/a/vytpb (Scroll down)

This is a project that I've been wanting to do for a long long while, but I haven't had the money, employed, energy or confidence to do it!
If you have any comments, suggestions, advice please comment, and if you're interested I will keep people up to date with how I'm doing down the coming months.

Thanks for reading;
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2012, 04:07:00 PM »
Looks Great!  What helmet are you using as the base? Under the clay?

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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2012, 04:12:00 PM »
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Looks Great!  What helmet are you using as the base? Under the clay?
Heeh, thanks.

Just a bland safety helmet.

You can check out the WIP album http://imgur.com/a/vytpb

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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2012, 05:09:00 PM »
That's what I thought it was.

This gives me a really good idea about my next helm I am going to pep.  it's going to be another Mark VI Beakie but I want to embed the inside support structure into the actual piece.

Maybe I could use a safety helm as the inside and pep around it..  I could remove the padding and the straping when I resin and glass the piece then put it back together when it's all set up...

Hummm Now you have my brian ticking away!!!

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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2012, 05:34:00 PM »
Looks like some hard work for a good payoff! I could never work with clay, stuff always seemed to be alergic to my hands and making sure no matter how hard I tried, I always ended up with a distorted ball at the end.

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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2012, 11:56:00 PM »
That sculpt is looking really nice so far!  Keep up the good work.

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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2012, 12:54:00 AM »
Wonderful work. I like what you have done with the bolter. The Stampeed seems to be very useful as a base gun for a lot of projects. I have seen it used to make a working nerf aliens pulse rifle!

I like your helmet veyr much. It is one of the hardest helmets to make/shape because of the stragne curves and wierdness around the eyes.

I beleave I said this on the RPF, but I think you need to move the eyes out and down a bit, just for the sake of visablity. The ref picture you are using makes them look small, but the Mini's have much larger eyes.


Please keep up the good work!

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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2012, 12:57:00 AM »
i agree with finn (looks great btw!!)
perhaps even just bring the bottom of the whole visor down about a half to a full inch, the chin on your helmet is larger than the chin on the art

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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2012, 09:59:00 AM »
@chwbcc

The helmet there isn't actually going to be in the finished product, it's literally just there to bulk out the helm sculpt itself and make sure sizing is correct.  I'm just planning on making my own foam support on the inside.

@Finnlock

I don't think they eyes are in a bad way, I have made them larger since my first pass sculpt, but I defiantly have gotten solid feed back from other as well as Tzerin above  that the top of helm wants its lower edge sorted out, perhaps that'll make the eyes look a little more proportion.

Was also pointed out that the eyes aren't the as frowny as they could be, so I'll be altering that a little, hehe.
Can't have the good guys looking non-threatening [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/happy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='happy.gif' />

I did a little bit of work last night, but nothing too noticable, however I shall be spending all night tonight on it and probably a good amount of time on Saturday with an aim to start getting a moulding of it Saturday/Sunday for taking a casting next week.
Bwahaah
It's all going so quickly, I love it.

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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2012, 02:12:00 PM »
Nice to see someone else doing sculpting on here after the sudden influx of pep madness as a means of doing everything. (I'll admit to being guilty of it.)
Really wanting to see where this goes as a costume piece. What do you plan to cast it in? What are you going to use as a mold making material? An inquiring mind wants to know.  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/cool.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cool.gif' />   [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/14623/129/emo/0f352eae45b08d26760469319a4704f6.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='0f352eae45b08d26760469319a4704f6.gif' />   [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/14623/129/emo/9cf395a8c958ff16084fd1f2a0ca1cee.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='9cf395a8c958ff16084fd1f2a0ca1cee.gif' />

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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2012, 02:29:00 PM »
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Nice to see someone else doing sculpting on here after the sudden influx of pep madness as a means of doing everything. (I'll admit to being guilty of it.)
Really wanting to see where this goes as a costume piece. What do you plan to cast it in? What are you going to use as a mold making material? An inquiring mind wants to know.  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/cool.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cool.gif' />   [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/14623/129/emo/0f352eae45b08d26760469319a4704f6.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='0f352eae45b08d26760469319a4704f6.gif' />   [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/14623/129/emo/9cf395a8c958ff16084fd1f2a0ca1cee.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='9cf395a8c958ff16084fd1f2a0ca1cee.gif' />
Good questions, as I'm using mostly what I have to had at the moment, but of course if someone spots an obvious flaw in my plan I'm willing to bow to others experience.
Main reason why I'm sculpting rather than Pep is because I don't have a printer, and also don't think they sell 'bondo' in the UK for bulking it out!  Haha, excuses excuses.
Though, I am a little worried atm that this may end up too large.

I'm planning on making the mould of this using Repsil Silcone RTV, with a mother mould around it in Plaster and Hessian (may even splash out and put some Wood to separate the two sides.

Then, the idea is Roto Cast it using Smooth-cast 65D, the high impact stuff, in theory.
If that comes out too brittle I'll likely use the brush on stuff with Glass Fibre reinforcement, or maybe Roto and then brush on for extra strength.
I'm not sure, I've never done this before.

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But how hard can it be!!  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2012, 04:12:00 PM »
Well the printer thing I can't help you with. However they do sell "Bondo" in the U.K. It's called "Isopon P38" and it's car bodyfiller available at nearly all car accessory shops and Halfords. So no excuses there.
Anyway. I still think that casting is the way to go. No worries with the RTV Silicone, but I would suggest using fiberglass as the jacket for the silicone mold, as plaster weighs an absolute ton when you're sloshing casting resin around. Again the resin, matting and hardener is available at car accessory shops too and it's cheap! Smoothcast is supposed to be good casting resin although I've never used it myself. I tend to go with "Biresin G26" it's a 1:1 mix and you can order it from Tiranti's art supplies and it's a doddle to use.
Anyway just thought I'd share my insight with you.
Good luck and fingers crossed with the casting experience.
P.S. It does become addictive!!  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2012, 11:59:00 PM »
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Well the printer thing I can't help you with. However they do sell "Bondo" in the U.K. It's called "Isopon P38" and it's car bodyfiller available at nearly all car accessory shops and Halfords. So no excuses there.
Anyway. I still think that casting is the way to go. No worries with the RTV Silicone, but I would suggest using fiberglass as the jacket for the silicone mold, as plaster weighs an absolute ton when you're sloshing casting resin around. Again the resin, matting and hardener is available at car accessory shops too and it's cheap! Smoothcast is supposed to be good casting resin although I've never used it myself. I tend to go with "Biresin G26" it's a 1:1 mix and you can order it from Tiranti's art supplies and it's a doddle to use.
Anyway just thought I'd share my insight with you.
Good luck and fingers crossed with the casting experience.
P.S. It does become addictive!!  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />

 [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/14623/129/emo/0f352eae45b08d26760469319a4704f6.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='0f352eae45b08d26760469319a4704f6.gif' />   [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/14623/129/emo/9cf395a8c958ff16084fd1f2a0ca1cee.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='9cf395a8c958ff16084fd1f2a0ca1cee.gif' />
Well, personally if I where to use Prop I would defiantly  still cast it, just off of the Pep made thing after it had been sanded and sculpted on.  Would likely get a better surface out of it as well as I can't quite get the clay just perfect. because of course, you can't exactly sand it and all that.
I get close (I hope) by using a head gun and various grades of Foam and Sponge.

Thing is, I have about 10kg of a Polyester resin and a load of various flavours of matting from my last armour still left over so that's not a problem.  I just don't like it xD
Though, of course fiberglass also givers you the option of drilling straight through it to affix the two halves of it together and detach them.

I'm currently debating if the silicone layer wants to be all done in one or two halves, or even put two little flaps down either side.

Smooth Cast is a 1:1 casting stuff, and I have a friend that uses for doing the skeletons in fursuit heads so I have someone to chat to about using it right.
That and everyone seems to use it on other websites!

Anyways, it actually looks like I could be taking the first cast for this sculpt in UNDER Two weeks, which just staggers me considering a week ago today I didn't even have a head cast.

Thanks for the feedback, it has been invaluable.

-Vicki

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2012, 12:48:00 AM »
Are you planing on making backpacks as well?

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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2012, 06:37:00 AM »
Hello again!  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />
For the dilemma of doing the silicone in one or two pieces. I would wholeheartedly suggest that you go with the one piece option. When you have applied the Fiberglass or Plaster jacket and removed it, but before you come to scoop out the clay. I recommend taking a razor blade and cutting a slit from a central point right down and out through the edge of the silicone mold. This will allow you to peel back the silicone and ease the release of the finished helmet. And yet the silicone will still sit flush once it's back in the jacket. Oh one more thing. A light dusting of talcum or baby powder on the inside of the cleaned out mold will aid release even more.  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />
Hope this helps  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/cool.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cool.gif' />
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