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Title: Tips For Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Lupus Irae on December 04, 2013, 06:18:58 PM
Hi battle brothers!! I am in the planning/gathering materials stage of my Space Wolves pack and I had a few questions. Me, my brother, and my best friend will be going to debut our Space Wolves at the Boston Comic Con coming in August 2014. This will be our first time cosplaying let alone even being at a comic convention. I would love to get the insight from the great cosplayers on this site on their experiences at conventions cosplaying as a Space Marine. It would be great to snag some tips and tricks and gain more knowledge on making it look good in that SM armor lol. Things like how long at max could I last in a EVA built suit (with stilts), Tips on staying hydrated/ Going to the bathroom  ;D, etiquette with taking pics and talking with other cosplayers, and anything in between. We will be entering the costume contests as well so any tips on cosplaying and working with the crowd/ judges would be extremely helpful. This site is such a wealth of info and I would love to soak up as much as I can. Thanks guys in advance!!
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Finnlock on December 04, 2013, 06:36:13 PM
I think you should talk to anyone who has done Wookie costumes, stilts and a full body wig!
I did my ork 2 years at dragoncon and  I lasted for about probably an hour MAYBE an hour and a half...yeah...it was so hot it was like a sweatbox inside so it felt like 3 years. So if you can rock it with out a helmet it will be much easier and enjoyable. And one last thing you WILL NEED.. Handlers...you need handlers because they are your life line. they will help giude you through crowds, in and out of doorways, help keep people away from you if needed. Help you in and out of your armor (this stuff is impossable to do alone for the most part).
everything else will come naturally :)

I hope some of the awesome folks who have rocked full Marines will chime in and let you know how it was for them.

If all goes well maybe I'll see you in Boston. I have family up there ( I grew up in New England) so it's one of the ones I have always wanted to check out.
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Ronan on December 04, 2013, 06:54:39 PM
I just wore mine at a Comiccon here in SLC. Check out my post here. http://obscuruscrusade.com/forum/index.php?topic=1690.msg39624#msg39624 (http://obscuruscrusade.com/forum/index.php?topic=1690.msg39624#msg39624)

I made it right after I went so things were still fresh.  Couple things different then your build is I didn't do stilts and I designed my whole suit so I could take it on and off solo if need be.
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Lupus Irae on December 04, 2013, 07:12:36 PM
Thanks Finnlock and Ronan!! Yeah I would love to learn as much as I can. I will be having my wife as my handler and my brother and best friend will have their girlfriend and wife as their handlers so at least we have that covered. I want to add fans and maybe even camelbacks to the suits some how. I'm hoping I can get as much time in the suits as possible. Ronan I'll have to check out ur thread there. Thanks guys and keep the tips and tricks coming lol!!!!
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Lupus Irae on December 05, 2013, 01:16:52 AM
Hey Finn if you do head up to Boston let me know. Would love to meet up with other cosplayers from the community!!  ;D
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Shadowwolf on December 05, 2013, 08:06:48 AM
Yes, handlers are so great! When you tire of the power sword, need to take of the helmet, your elbow breaks of the bolted strap springs loose, they are life-savers!

A good thing to note is, the bigger you are, the more you will act like a freight train. I've only been to one convention, but in my armour I can't see anything closer than 2 m on the floor. That means the kid with the lightsaber who snuck up on you from the side to pose for a pic runs the risk of severe traumatising when you trip over and bury him in your immense body mass. On the other hand, there is no greater intimidation bonus than the one you get from being 2.25, a meter wide and armed with a power weapon. No-one will reach your shoulder even. You'll have a great view of the crowd and you can easily keep things in distance in check. Just don't let people get too close without you knowing it.

Then again, when you start walking, people MOVE! First because you're awesome and they want to let you pass out of respect. Secondly, you're big enough to scare the shit out of them :-) You're also going to suffer from PAWS. That's Power Armour Withdrawal Syndrome. You're gonna miss the size and commanding posture of your armour when you take it off again and wander the con as an ordinary human :-)

It's gonna be hot in there too. Regardless of the temperature outside, you're gonna be working up a sweat after a few hundred meters in power armour. A set of computer fans inside will keep you cooler, but it is still a one-man-sauna.

I could handle about 1 hour in power armour. And I LOVED standing still, cause walking in the thing is not what the body of this skinny nerd was made for. Lots of strange muscle pains the day after. But it's worth is! Every drop of sweat, every grimace of pain behind the helmet, every mashed kid under your iron boot.
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Lupus Irae on December 05, 2013, 08:16:46 AM
Lol Shadow thank you so much for sharing. I feel like I have a bad case of PAWS now and I haven't even got to build my suit yet lol. Yeah I'm gonna do everything I can to stay in costume as long as possible. When you guys did exit your suits where do you put them? Did you guys have a hotel room nearby or stash it somewhere so you would be able to keep it safe. God I hope I don't crush any little kids under the mass of awesomeness of being a Space Wolf lol.
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Shadowwolf on December 05, 2013, 10:27:09 AM
I had the fortune of attending an event with the 501st legion (Darth vaders and storm troopers) and they usually get an area to store wookie costumes and such and I was invited to share the storage :)

But I had planned for the event of having no storage area and brought my stand. I quickly noticed people were very interested in touching, feeling and waving parts of my costume around, but one I had assembled it on the stand, its stern look and menacing presence kept the game-store-kid-mentality people from mischief :-) But make sure to bring some string or a band or something to secure your armour to the wall. You wouldn't want it tipping over the unfortunate bystander.
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Ronan on December 05, 2013, 11:40:22 AM
I was able to last all day in mine, mostly.  I would walk around for an hour, sit for a bit (yes i could sit in mine, just needed help up)  then walk around for a bit more.  I did find a couple out of the way alcoves I could duck into and strip down.   People would still come by and ask about your suit.  It was a good chance to show how it's built.  But again I designed mine from the start to be mobile and easyish to take off and on.
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Lupus Irae on December 05, 2013, 05:51:17 PM
Yeah ill have to check out the grounds  at the Boston Comic Con and see if I can find a spot to strip down after and get to walk around as a normal human lol
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: CLOTHAR on December 12, 2013, 03:12:15 PM
I have done two different conventions with my suit, and was able to go around 8 hours suited up.  It can be a tiring affair, but totally worth it.  Fans can be a life saver, and if you can get a camelback with ice water, do it.  I also wore "underarmour cool" shirt and pants, which wicks heat and moisture away from the body.  I built a flap into my armour for bathroom breaks, but honestly I was sweating enough that I never needed to use the washroom. 
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Lupus Irae on December 12, 2013, 07:30:51 PM
Thanks Clothar appreciate the input. Your suit on stilts or are you human size? The camelback is actually an idea I was thinking of incorporating as well so glad that worked for you. The flap us a good idea lol
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: BattleReady on December 15, 2013, 02:16:29 PM
if you can afford a Welding Hood Ventilator system, you could live in the suit.  ;D
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Quothcorvus on December 16, 2013, 06:43:30 AM
I'd suggest taking along copious amounts of a good energy drink.  I usually drink 2 or three litres of Lucozade when costuming for a full day in a fully enclosed costume, plus water.  Haribo is quite good too!! ;D
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Lupus Irae on December 16, 2013, 05:43:28 PM
Thanks for the suggestions guys I really do appreciate it with this being my first experience cosplaying
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: ragnar blackmane on December 29, 2013, 02:09:59 PM
as a more than 15year veteran of wearing stormtrooper armor, im used to wearing armor all day.  for 3 years iove worn my human sizxed space wolf. never any issues besides the random people punching you, etc... but a quick swipe of the chainsword sends them away.

as for the 8' space wolf...done once at an event for a few hours.  needless to say for four days my calves and thighs were killing me.

you cant see in front of you, i had zero handlers, but the other costumers were always around to watch out for me, which is good.  Im known for not having handlers, but next time im definitely getting two or three.  I trampled two kids i never saw. literally ran one over and kept walking, as i didint feel him, the other fell down and started to cry.  the dad said, see...i told you  to watch out!

Im more concerned for someone breaking something in the toes, so i might fill the toes with great stuff incase someone steps on it, it wont collapse.  but anyone under 40 seemed to keep their distance if i was moving.  Fans have NEVER helped at all for me, so i gave up on them ten years ago.  its all about breathing down or thru your nose so you dont fog up

Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Lupus Irae on December 29, 2013, 04:44:34 PM
Ragnar thanks so much for the pointers. Your suit is amazing and I hope that my 3 suits will come out great as well. This community has been truly an inspiration and an amazing help. 
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: ragnar blackmane on December 29, 2013, 07:57:47 PM
thanks very much
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: kaiwanxiao on January 02, 2014, 12:07:41 PM
One thing I haven't seen mentioned: comms with handlers. See if you can get at least a pair of walkie talkies with a headset and boom mike.

If you *want* to wear a helmet, invest in fans. Invest in ventilation. Invest in some paintball mask lens wax. Also consider a wet doo-rag which is placed in the freezer overnight. And take periodic breaks from the helmet once that sucker thaws out.

My suggestion, if you want to rock the suit all day long, is to make it out of lightweight materials and start working out now. You'll want a little bit of muscular training, but cardio is going to make a big difference. Don't rely on "not being fat". Also, don't wait until your big debut to put it on. Wear it around the house. Practice going up stairs if you have any. Practice stepping on and off a curb. With and without handlers. Go to a few conventions, go to a Games Workshop brick-and-mortar location. Wear it around and see what works and what doesn't.

I wore a 75-lb suit at Dragon*Con in the dead-ass summer in Atlanta. I marched in the parade with that beast. I sweated off about eight pounds that weekend and my entire body felt like I'd been worked over by Mike Tyson. So wearing it for multiple hours per day for multiple days is perfectly feasible for people.

Also: bring a well-stocked repair kit.
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Lupus Irae on January 02, 2014, 02:39:49 PM
Great points Kai! I'm going to wear my helmet  a bit, but I won't have to because I'll be wearing custom fit werewolf fangs and contact lenses to make the eyes look like wolves ( on top of me rocking my beard lol) so if I'm not wearing the helmet then I'll still have a well rounded look to the suit. I'm going with throat mics for myself and my pack brothers along with our 3 handlers keeping walkies with them as well. I played airsoft for a long time so I'll have my lenses fog free (cross fingers lol) and the suits should be mostly made of eva foam and worbla so that should keep the weight down some. Fans will definitely be placed in all 3 suits and camelbacks as well. I'm going to try and walk around and scare everyone around my town in order to get as much time in the suit as I can. Thanks again for all the insight from this incredible community
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Finnlock on January 02, 2014, 08:10:31 PM
 Just wanted to follow up and say that if you are staying at the con ( not just a one day stint) make friends with the hotel staff! the frieght elevator are an awesome way to move you and your large suit without the crammed in crowed of the main ones, also they can save you from having to try and walk up stairs or ride the escalators.

 one thing about camle packs is you can also fill them with ice and that will help keep you cool.
 But the best take away is as Kaiwanxiao and Ragnar alluded too, be ready, wear the suit around and try and get in some kinda shape for it, it's WAY MORE taxing then you think it's going to be.
And when you are dying inside and every kid wants to have his or her picture taken with you...it's not fun and becomes torture.
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Lupus Irae on January 02, 2014, 09:57:24 PM
Thanks Finn appreciate your insight. It seems like this experience is definitely a labor of love. I'm in workout mode now and hoping to drop some weight on top of making sure I'm strong enough to handle being in the suit for a long period of time. The ice in the camelback is a great idea that would definitely help out keeping the heat down
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Ronan on January 03, 2014, 10:18:28 AM
A couple more things.  Fans & Camelbacks are nice in theory, but add weight and fans especially might not be powerful enough and worth the weight.  So keep that in mind as to build.  Maybe have a way to take them out if need be.  I found it almost 100 degree weather, the fans just didn't cut it. 

Also practice your poses and smiles.  Everyone will stop you and want pictures.  Make sure they have the best picture of you as possible.  Especially the kids. 
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Lupus Irae on January 03, 2014, 11:19:46 AM
Thanks Ronan! Yeah I'll be hamming it up at home to see the best poses and facial expressions work with the custom fangs, contacts, and makeup ill be using. I have 2 other wolves to work with too which I think will look awesome as a pack roaming the con floor. I can't wait to get this going!!
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Shadowwolf on January 06, 2014, 08:58:59 AM
Hmm, why are we not sticky-ing this? Sound like a lot of useful info for builders that we wouldn't search for.
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Lupus Irae on January 06, 2014, 09:42:33 AM
That would be a great idea!  ;D This community has put a lot of great information and experience in this thread it would be great to have this sticky sticky. I know I have learned so much!
Title: Re: Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: kaiwanxiao on January 06, 2014, 03:17:15 PM
Sticky: I can do that. Probably need to edit the title to something like "Tips for Cosplaying as a Space Marine".

Camelbaks: what I recommend doing is getting one of the bladders with gel packs. Freeze it for like 2-3 days. Then the night before, fill it about a quarter or third of the way. Lay it flat. Let it freeze solid. Use hot water, it freezes faster. Morning of, add cold water and fill it the rest of the way. The frozen block will be lengthwise instead of sitting at the bottom, so it will spread cold uniformly. The frozen gel packs function like those cooler inserts.

You can even wear the cold Camelbak inside your chest piece, though I prefer to leave it in the backpack (I wear a cooling vest, so it's unneeded).

Fans in the summer: the fans aren't for cooling. They are for circulation. They are to pull and push air, when done correctly. Properly ventilated masks with air circulation mean your lenses won't fog up as badly, particularly if you have treated the lenses with anti-fog. The frozen doo-rag will help keep it cool, for a little while. Then it will melt, but it should still remain cool for a good 4-5 hours.
Title: Re: Tips For Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Lupus Irae on January 10, 2014, 03:58:19 PM
Thanks for the sticky Kai. That cameback idea is something I am very interested in.
Title: Re: Tips For Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Lord Abaddon on March 02, 2014, 02:58:01 PM
If you want the coldest possible water in your camelpack, so long as you are not going to be drinking from it, put salt water in the pack before freezing it. The salt prevents the water from freezing until a much lower temperature. This will make the pack last a bit longer.
Title: Re: Tips For Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Ronan on March 03, 2014, 06:49:58 PM
Also the salt will help with dehydration.  You really wont be drinking the water to stay cool, you will be doing it more for hydration.  You will sweat like never before.
Title: Re: Tips For Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Lord Abaddon on March 03, 2014, 07:02:22 PM
That's why I said so long as you are not drinking from it. The salt water is purely for suit cooling
Title: Re: Tips For Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: FLYzilla on March 05, 2014, 01:14:48 PM
if you need bathroom break and have a handler that can help these work great.

if you need one send me a message with your email address and ill send you to a place that sells them.

Title: Re: Tips For Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Divergent Reality on March 05, 2014, 09:16:52 PM
I was half expecting that the second line would end with "ill send you one, slightly used."
Title: Re: Tips For Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Ragresen on July 24, 2014, 11:06:39 AM
A thing I had considered for my Stormtrooper armor if I ever went Sandtrooper with a pack was to get used to the added weight of a cool suit system. with a coolsuit you would be circulating cold water through a shirt and pants like a race car driver does. Thing is that is a lot of added weight in the form of a pump, cooler in the pack and water with maybe dry ice in the cooler. I had always sufficed at Dragon Con and other Hot cons with being in shape, hydrating properly and the Fans to keep air movement in the helmet. Well just a thought for those looking at a way to cool down the body while in armor.
Title: Re: Tips For Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: KyrianHunter on June 28, 2016, 11:50:05 PM
     There's a reason the U.S. military trains in body armor. I had to essentially live in mine for a month in California for training one summer. The following spring, I was in Iraq and glad for the training. It kept me from having problems when I went from 65 degrees to 110 degrees. We still had to wear our gear nearly continuously. Mine clocked in around 50 lbs. with ammo, plates, and water.

     The fans are a good idea. Try sourcing one for paintball as they blow air directly on the lens. There is a company that uses a pc fan and a hose to remote mount the fan and better direct the air. Be aware that this may cause problems for those who wear contacts, prescription or costume.
Title: Re: Tips For Cosplaying as a Space Marine!?
Post by: Inquisitor Horvath on February 08, 2018, 01:05:42 PM
Some advice is DON'T TRIP