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Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: agrinlingskity on June 08, 2012, 01:52:00 AM
so, my 10 year old son has decided that he wants to be a chaos space marine for Halloween because its the army he wants to build. I have been going through alot of the posts and though the costumes were fantastic, they are a bit time consuming. as a mom of 4, two of which are still in diaper, I was hoping you guys may have some ideas for how to accomplish this semi-monumental task.
we are all going to dress as 40k, I believe the hubby is doing DKoK, my oldest wants nids, still deciding for the youngest two, and I am doing eldar(still deciding on that one as to make a costume for my army of choice, necrons, I think would prove to be another headache I don't need lol)
thanks in advance



sorry not chaos, that would go in another category, I will have to ask him again I really don't know much about space marine chapters so i will post later sorry its 419 am so brain isn't fully functioning.
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: Voodoo on June 08, 2012, 02:42:00 AM
I think the thread can stay here, you've got a wide range of costumes to research and build in very little time to do so...

A quick and easy (enough) way to make armor I've seen is doing the foam method. Correct me if I'm wrong guys but it normally goes over a pep file right?

Well... You could skip the pepakura build first and jump straight into cutting and making cylinders from foam that affix together to make the armor sections. They'd be light, easy to work with and if you got two colors, you could have the main armor color + a different trim color. Because lets's face it. Space marine armor is essentially a series of carefully made hollow truncated cones but who's to say for a quicker version you couldn't do cylinders. I doubt anyone will stop to criticize your son in his costume on halloween, if they do, please see the note below on weaponry.

No matter which chapter your son wishes to portray the devil in this quick and easy costume will be the details, e.g. weapons, makeup, and armor accoutrements.  

A power weapon could be a repainted version of a Nerf Foam Weapons (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dtoys-and-games&field-keywords=nerf+axe). Plus, since they're made to beat the snot out of people safely, your son can swing away safe in the fact that it'll be no worse than beating someone through a phone book.

Makeup should be fairly straightforward, chaos icons, fake scars, etc.

Armor details can be found at a lot of halloween stores, plastic chains, fake blood, skulls, spikes, etc. Not to mention the biggest saving grace that any "oh @*%& I need a costume fast and I only have it half done" thought can easily contain... Long tattered robes. Lots of chapters wear robes over their armor so if you don't finish everything completely, you can figure a robe into the process and cut down on the pieces you have to fully flesh out before the big day.

Hope this helps, I promise, I'm really not insane.

Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: agrinlingskity on June 08, 2012, 08:37:00 AM
thank you for some great ideas. I saw the pep files but have no way to view them as both of our laptops died within days of each other.
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: MacKnight on June 08, 2012, 10:37:00 AM
Your son is 10 year old and hes already a heretic?
This is bad man...  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' />
Jokeing, good luck building.
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: Voodoo on June 08, 2012, 11:22:00 AM
Quote from: MacKnight date=1339166220
Your son is 10 year old and hes already a heretic?
This is bad man...  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' />
Jokeing, good luck building.
I feel the warp overtaking me! IT IS A GOOD PAIN!
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: agrinlingskity on June 08, 2012, 12:19:00 PM
I blame a buddy of ours start talking chaos and it spreads like a virus everyone starts building them and my son caught it too lol originally he was going to do blood angels. my 11 year just loves nids, which is what I would have gone with but for learning I went with the necrons and I am so happy I stuck with them such awesome stuff coming out for them now!
I think I am going to work with cardboard since I have a healthy supply considering we are still unpacking our household. also I am pretty good at making it do what I want it to do I will post pics as I actually p
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: fullmetalsam on June 08, 2012, 01:10:00 PM
Wow - the whole family is playing 40K ... that's just amazing, you're never short of opponents  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

As for the chaos space marine costume - since it's for Halloween and it's most likely "just for fun" ... there's plenty of things you've seen here you can skip over.  Most of us will shoot for an "accurate" costume (which will look as much as the mini or artwork as possible).

I think Voodoo gave you the best advise possible - simplify the costume as much as possible. Beside the helmet, the shoulder and the backpack... the whole thing is pretty much truncated cones or cylinders.  If you've done that before - then I say go with truncated cones .. if not, stick to cylinders (they will be easier to put together as Voodoo already pointed out).

The only things left are the helmet, the shoulders and the backpack.
For the helmet - you could decide to forego the helmet altogether and use make up. It will reduce your build time and you'll be able to play with a couple of things to give the costume that "chaos vibe".

For the shoulders, they are hard to build from cardboard (or pretty much any material that can't be molded or formed). What I suggest here is to find something that could be modified to fit the bill.  Like a big kid construction helmet you'd find at the dollar store. Wouldn't cost much, only a bit of cutting is required and you've got yourself some chaos space marine shoulder.  The other thing that comes to mind is knee pads - I don't know how big is your kid, but if he's on the small side, foam kneepad (you can pick up at your local hardware store) might be something that will look good enough... if not, they might be something you can work off of (building up bulk with cardboard).

The last thing would be the backpack.
Here there's no easy way out - I suggest winging it and playing with the design to facilitate the build process.

Last Last thing - the "chaos vibe" is all about details.
Chaos star, spikes, skulls, streched skin, gore, runes, etc.
So, make sure you keep yourself a bit of time to do all that little stuff... if your 10 year old is a bit artsy, then it would be a great part of the project he can help you with  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

Good Luck with that whole thing... man I can't wait for my kid to be old enough for this kind of things - I'm going to dress him up big time at every halloween  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: agrinlingskity on June 08, 2012, 01:19:00 PM
yeah its great.
I don't want to overly simplify it I just wouldn't be happy with that, but I will try to keep it simple.
I am making a commissar costume for my 1 year old son and probably sisters of battle or a harlequin for my daughter who is 2. my 11 year old has decided on tau and my 10 year old is now saying grey knight I guess we will see once the armor is made.now just have to decide on my costume...
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: fullmetalsam on June 08, 2012, 01:53:00 PM
You know that now that you've said all that - you're going to have to post pictures of all the costumes   [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />

I just gotta see the 1 year old Commissar !!!   [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/cool.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cool.gif' />

Mine is a couple of months old only - and will not be 1 yr old for his first Halloween... still looking for something cool to do that will go with at least one of daddy's costume  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: Gunhead on June 08, 2012, 02:16:00 PM
Awesome advice Voodoo. That idea of the tattered robes sounds like a really good one. That way, you would could paint on an Imperialis and then deface it peaking out from the tattered robes that have spikes on the shoulders sticking through holding it in place.

If you are having trouble making the other items and need a fast and nasty way of doing it that will last one night, make the legs and abs out of cardboard and seal it with spray on rubber from the hardware store... It would look nasty but hey => chaos!!!
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: agrinlingskity on June 08, 2012, 02:30:00 PM
I am thankful for all the advice and I will post pics of all the costumes!
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: Shiney on June 08, 2012, 03:40:00 PM
Ha, quite agreeable, EVA foam, aka the floor mat foam with the jigsaw edges would be a good option.  PVA [wood glue] coating on the outside before painting, pretty doable in the time allocated, be sure to include lots of spiky bits for chaaaaaoooos!  Craft foam [also eva] comes in thinner sections good for details
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: sandy1973 on June 08, 2012, 07:11:00 PM
You can draw out some pattern of the armor and get some camping mats, hot glue gun and Glue sticks, cutting tools and a few things from any dollar store ( foam knee pads, light up toys, etc.)  and you all set to go and this should take 3-4 hours / day for a couple weeks.
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: chwbcc on June 09, 2012, 02:12:00 AM
I love scratch builds here is one I did for my son two years ago.  It's not 40k but it shows what you can do the night before halloween with some duct tape, card board and some imagination.

I really can't wait to see what 40k stuff you come up with for your little ones too.  Eliajah wants to be a space marine this year!!! Squee!  Daddy is so proud! Crap I don't have a lot of time!

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601134_10150889974812599_1612419032_n.jpg)
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: agrinlingskity on June 09, 2012, 10:53:00 AM
nice. I've done plenty of last minute costumes from cardboard, I have 3 younger sisters and now 4 kids so i know all about last minute lol.  I just don't want these ones to be last minute!
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: agrinlingskity on June 11, 2012, 01:23:00 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=251...&type=1&ref=nf# (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=251287898309840&set=a.231220976983199.43335.100002858962586&type=1&ref=nf#)

my son with his newspaper mannequin so i don't have to deal with his whining about trying things on

also decided the youngest is going to be Ciapas Cain because I want to put mutton-chops on him.
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: Gunhead on June 11, 2012, 02:20:00 PM
Mutton Chops? LOL is that black mail material for when he is older?  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: agrinlingskity on August 26, 2012, 01:00:00 PM
So I have found a somewhat kindred spirit on post. She is pepping halo armor so now I have access to be able to pep my sons armor, the only question is how do I scale it down? He is 4' 6"
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: Voodoo on August 26, 2012, 04:07:00 PM
Quote from: agrinlingskity date=1346000400
So I have found a somewhat kindred spirit on post. She is pepping halo armor so now I have access to be able to pep my sons armor, the only question is how do I scale it down? He is 4' 6"
I believe you need Pepakura Designer, not just viewer, then once you have that (which I as of yet do not have...) you'd have to scale a piece, print and produce it then see if it needs further scaling or if the scale you printed is good, then it's a rinse and repeat with your already figured scale from the first fitted piece.
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: wookieegunner on August 26, 2012, 07:28:00 PM
You will need Pepakura Designer.  If I remember correctly, Shiney's pep files are scaled at 850 for a person 6'2" (74 inches) high.  So you would undo the unfold (there is a button for that) and then click the unfold button (same button).  A menu will pop up.  You need to change the scaling (If I am doing the math right it would be (54*850)/74) to 620.27 and then click ok.  That should scale it roughly correct, but yeah, you might have to do it a couple of times to get it right.
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: agrinlingskity on August 26, 2012, 07:44:00 PM
Awesome thanks guys! Not sure what she has but I am willing to purchase the program if necessary. I will be  going up to her place sometime this week my older two start school tomorrow so  hopefully I will actually be able to get some stuff accomplished!
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: sandy1973 on August 30, 2012, 07:30:00 AM
You don't have to pay for the pep designer as long as you write down the scale that you use on any file ( you can't save any change with the free one) and why don't you make your kid's armor in foam? It's fast, light weight and more comfortable to wear.
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: agrinlingskity on August 30, 2012, 01:35:00 PM
The majority of the suit will be of foam. I want to pep the chest so I can get proportions right and I am having some issues getting the shapes that I want
Thanks for the tip  [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' />
Title: a little bit of help please
Post by: agrinlingskity on September 06, 2012, 08:33:00 PM
hooray for laptops! mine is working again which means i can print at home....as soon as i have ink.
i am so excited about this build! i just hope it turns out half as well as the suits i see being built by everyone here
oh and we have decided our two year old daughter is going as an eldar farseer so i get to breakout the sewing machine for that. and of course there will be pics [img]http://i6.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' />